Une série de disparitions suscite l’inquiétude à Hongkong

Britain accuses China of serious breach of treaty over 'removed' Hong Kong booksellers

"British foreign secretary Philip Hammond says taking publishers to the mainland undermines the principle of ‘one country, two systems’
"China has committed a “serious breach” of a longstanding bilateral treaty, the British government has said, after finding that a missing bookseller was likely to have been “involuntarily removed” from the former colony of Hong Kong...
In a six-monthly report to parliament, foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, wrote that Lee Bo, a British passport holder who disappeared from Hong Kong in late December, was likely to have been taken to China against his will. “Our current information indicates that Mr Lee was involuntarily removed to the mainland without any due process under Hong Kong SAR law,” Hammond wrote in a foreword. The comment is far stronger than some of the previous observations by the foreign secretary. During a visit to Beijing in January, he waved off suggestions that Lee had been abducted, telling reporters “You are speculating a little bit about what has happened....”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-of-treaty-over-removed-hong-kong-booksellers
 
Lee Po, l'un des éditeurs manquants serait maintenant accusé de chantage.

Hong Kong bookseller Lee Po could face 10 years in jail for blackmail
Online news site claims Lee was trying to extort money from influential people, but admits claims cannot be verified
The missing Hong Kong bookseller who sold gossipy books about the Chinese leadership could face more than 10 years behind bars for allegedly “blackmailing” the subjects of the books his store published, according to an online news report.
The UN high commissioner for human rights, who met Chinese officials yesterday in Geneva, urged Beijing “to ensure a fair and transparent procedure for these cases” and visits by family members and lawyers.
The news of Lee Po’s case came on Tuesday as UN human rights chief Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein weighed in and expressed concern over the mysterious disappearance of Lee and his four bookstore colleagues.
This followed London’s criticism of Beijing’s alleged secretive abduction of Lee – who is a British passport holder – in its bi-annual report on Hong Kong last week, saying it was a breach of the Sino-British Joint Declaration.
According to the Lien retiré, Lee was accused of demanding money from “big names” in the mainland political and business circles in return for not publishing the books about them that would reveal information disgracing them.
The report did not mention who had been “blackmailed” or how much money had been asked, but quoted sources claiming that such practice was common in the publishing circle in Hong Kong but such cases were rarely detected because many “big names” were reluctant to report to police.
“[Lee Po’s case] has been made so big and the relevant mainland authorities are left holding the bag. It is almost impossible for Lee Po to get away easily,” said an unnamed source quoted by bowenpress. But the online news outlet said the accusations against Lee could not be independently confirmed.
Depending on the seriousness of the case, Lee could face a jail sentence as light as below three years, or for at least 10 years, according to the report.
Bowenpress.com, launched last March (2015), is associated with Boxun, a US-based Chinese community website that mainly covers political news and human rights abuses in China.
The full facts of Lee’s case remain unclear.
Lee, one of the shareholders of Causeway Bay Books went missing on December 30 in Hong Kong, following the mysterious disappearance of four other staff members from his bookstore during the past few months. But he surfaced on the mainland weeks later without his travel documents.
One of his colleagues, Gui Minhai, a Swedish national who vanished from Thailand last October, appeared on Chinese state television last month claiming he had returned to China voluntarily to take responsibility for a car accident some 13 years earlier in which a young woman was killed.
The other three men, Lui Por, Cheung Chi-ping, and Lam Wing-kee, wererecently said to be under investigation on the mainland in connection with a case relating to Gui and other illegal activities on the mainland.
A spokesman for the Guangdong provincial police department declined to comment on the bowenpress.com report..
In Hong Kong, Lee’s wife and the government also remained tightlipped.
Mrs Lee yesterday said she did not like to speak about the case. Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying also said: “There is no further information to provide. We were only aware of the [accusations against Lee] after reading the [bowenpress.com] report.”
A friend of Lee’s, Jin Zhong, chief editor of Open Magazine, said: “This is one of the many stories the mainland authorities try to make up about what has happened to Lee and his associates.”
Veteran China watcher Johnny Lau Yui-siu said: “I can’t rule out the truthfulness of the [bownepress.com] news, as I have heard of cases of printed matter being used for extortion purposes.
“But the key to the issue is not about these accounts ... We should focus on why and how Lee and his associates at Causeway Bay Books disappeared, and should not get sidetracked by any other issues.”
In previous letters reportedly written by Lee to his wife, he said he had returned to the mainland voluntarily to assist in an investigation. He also urged others not to make a fuss over the incident and to respect his privacy and that of his family.
Hong Kong police have been trying to meet him. The request was reportedly rejected by Lee.
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Source :http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ng-bookseller-lee-po-could-face-10-years-jail

et voir aussi : http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-kong-bookseller-lee-bo-with-blackmail-report
 
Un "maître chanteur" qui répond volontairement à une invitation de la police du mainland à participer à une enquête, et se rend toute affaire cessantes, sans prendre de papier d’identité en Chine, où il doit savoir que si le chantage est réel, il risque 10 ans de prison, c'est quand même plus que bizarre ...:hum:
 
ChrisHK a dit:
Un "maître chanteur" qui répond volontairement à une invitation de la police du mainland à participer à une enquête, et se rend toute affaire cessantes, sans prendre de papier d’identité en Chine, où il doit savoir que si le chantage est réel, il risque 10 ans de prison, c'est quand même plus que bizarre ...:hum:
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Le remords soudain et irrésistible est un sentiment puissant
 
ChrisHK a dit:
Un "maître chanteur" qui répond volontairement à une invitation de la police du mainland à participer à une enquête, et se rend toute affaire cessantes, sans prendre de papier d’identité en Chine, où il doit savoir que si le chantage est réel, il risque 10 ans de prison, c'est quand même plus que bizarre ...:hum:
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A mon avis, ils sont vraiment nuls ici au mainland. Ils devraient prendre des cours de Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz, Dick Cheney ou Colin Powell pour l'école néocon... Sinon, y a l'école russe (vive le polonium).

En tous cas, on voit que c'est juste le début, ils ont beaucoup de chemin à parcourir.
 
En résumé :
- il donne une interview de 20 minutes sur Phoenix TV
- il admet être entré illégalement mais volontairement en Chine pour prêter son concours à une enquête visant son associé
- il voulait rentrer discrètement après la fin de l’enquête (comme si on pouvait s'absenter "discrètement" pendant plusieurs mois....)
- la police de HK a pu le rencontrer avant l'interview
- il réfute les accusations de chantage
- il accuse son associé d'avoir publié des livres "écrits sans précaution, avec des éléments copiés et parfois des faux" (???)
- il s'accuse d'avoir été négligent, et "confesse ses fautes"
- il rentrera à HK lorsque son "assistance" ne sera plus nécessaire
- sa femme et lui-même ont demandé à renoncer à leur nationalité britannique (car cela avait complique l'affaire)
- il a pu rencontrer sa femme pendant le CNY
- il a déclaré "Maintenant ma vie en Chine est très bonne. Je suis très en sécurité et libre. Et comme vous pouvez le voir, ma santé n'est pas encore mauvaise. J'ai de bonnes relations avec les enquêteurs, qui me traitent bien"

Ca me laisse perplexe!

I sneaked into mainland China illegally to help an investigation, says missing Hong Kong bookseller Lee Po
Lee gives a 20-minute interview with Phoenix TV in which he says he will return to Hong Kong once his help is no longer needed

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Lee Po appeared at ease during the interview with Phoenix TV. Photo: Phoenix TV

One of the missing booksellers from Causeway Bay Books appeared on television and admitted for the first time he had sneaked into the mainland illegally to assist in an investigation,

Lee Po, who runs the bookstore specialising in selling politically sensitive publications banned on the mainland, reiterated in the 20-minute interview aired by Phoenix TV on Monday night that he had visited the mainland of his own free will to assist as a witness in an investigation into Gui Minhai, co-owner of publishing house Mighty Current, which runs the bookstore.

On the mystery surrounding his disappearance, Lee said: “I sneaked into the mainland with the help of a friend [or friends] so I didn’t use my home return permit.”
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A visitor at Causeway Bay Books, where a poster on the window shows the missing booksellers. Photo: SCMP

But he declined to elaborate. “It’s not convenient to disclose the details,” he said.

He explained the fact that the investigation might make someone angry which might bring harm to him and his family was the reason he adopted a secret way to visit the mainland without using his travel document.

“I wanted to secretly visit the mainland and solve my own matters as soon as possible, and then return home secretly,” Lee said.

The interview was aired hours after Hong Kong police disclosed they had met Lee in a guest house at an undisclosed location on the mainland.

The content of the interview was also carried on Monday night by Shanghai-based online portal Thepaper.cn and Hong Kong newspaper Sing Tao Daily’s website,

Lee dismissed speculation that he was in trouble for buying sex on the mainland or blackmailing public figures there by publishing books with material on their negative side.

He said Gui had published a lot of books about mainland issues in recent years, but all these books were compiled carelessly with copied and in some cases fabricated material.

“I was to blame too. And I took this opportunity to confess my wrongdoing.”
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A 'Closed' sign and support messages hang on the door of the Causeway Bay Books store in Hong Kong. Photo: EPA

He also said he had not yet been able to go home as the investigation was continuing. But he could return whenever his assistance was finished.

The British citizen said he had never sought help from the UK government and he had always called himself a “Hongkonger” and a “Chinese.”

He said he and his wife had decided to abandon their UK citizenship as this had complicated the case

He had notified the British side about their decision.

“I haven’t been to Britain for more than 20 years. And I haven’t enjoyed any rights or benefits as a citizen.”
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A demonstrator wears a mask depicting Causeway Bay Books shareholder Lee Po during a protest. Photo: Reuters

The couple’s daughter is studying at a British university where she is paying fees imposed on ordinary foreign students, he said.

“My life now on the mainland is very good. I’m very safe and free. And you can see my health is still not bad. I get along well with the law enforcement workers, who treat me well,” Lee said.

Two pictures of the couple taken on the mainland during the Lunar New Year holiday were also made available with reports about the interview.

Lee said his wife Sophie Choi Ka-ping had met him and they had had some fun.
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Source : http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...nland-china-illegally-help-investigation-says
 
ChrisHK a dit:
En résumé :
- il donne une interview de 20 minutes sur Phoenix TV
- il admet être entré illégalement mais volontairement en Chine pour prêter son concours à une enquête visant son associé
- il voulait rentrer discrètement après la fin de l’enquête (comme si on pouvait s'absenter "discrètement" pendant plusieurs mois....)
- la police de HK a pu le rencontrer avant l'interview
- il réfute les accusations de chantage
- il accuse son associé d'avoir publié des livres "écrits sans précaution, avec des éléments copiés et parfois des faux" (???)
- il s'accuse d'avoir été négligent, et "confesse ses fautes"
- il rentrera à HK lorsque son "assistance" ne sera plus nécessaire
- sa femme et lui-même ont demandé à renoncer à leur nationalité britannique (car cela avait complique l'affaire)
- il a pu rencontrer sa femme pendant le CNY
- il a déclaré "Maintenant ma vie en Chine est très bonne. Je suis très en sécurité et libre. Et comme vous pouvez le voir, ma santé n'est pas encore mauvaise. J'ai de bonnes relations avec les enquêteurs, qui me traitent bien"

Ca me laisse perplexe!



Source : http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...nland-china-illegally-help-investigation-says
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Mon cher Chris
Ces personnes sont en relations avec toutes sortes d'individus cherchant a nuire selon certains a la securite de l'etat ou a celle de la SAR vu l'echeance qui se rapproche , des listes de noms ont du circuler il ne faut pas en douter vu la tournure des evenements concernant ces libraires ! C'est mon opinion ...
A chacun ses methodes , certains sont payes pour ca , defendre les interets de la Nation ...

Les repentis sous conditions existent dans tout les pays du monde , dans les domaines des organisations revolutionnaires et autres conspirateurs , du terrorisme , des cartels et autres organisations mafieuses ...
 
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ChrisHK a dit:
En résumé :
- il donne une interview de 20 minutes sur Phoenix TV
- il admet être entré illégalement mais volontairement en Chine pour prêter son concours à une enquête visant son associé
- il voulait rentrer discrètement après la fin de l’enquête (comme si on pouvait s'absenter "discrètement" pendant plusieurs mois....)
- la police de HK a pu le rencontrer avant l'interview
- il réfute les accusations de chantage
- il accuse son associé d'avoir publié des livres "écrits sans précaution, avec des éléments copiés et parfois des faux" (???)
- il s'accuse d'avoir été négligent, et "confesse ses fautes"
- il rentrera à HK lorsque son "assistance" ne sera plus nécessaire
- sa femme et lui-même ont demandé à renoncer à leur nationalité britannique (car cela avait complique l'affaire)
- il a pu rencontrer sa femme pendant le CNY
- il a déclaré "Maintenant ma vie en Chine est très bonne. Je suis très en sécurité et libre. Et comme vous pouvez le voir, ma santé n'est pas encore mauvaise. J'ai de bonnes relations avec les enquêteurs, qui me traitent bien"

Ca me laisse perplexe!

Source : http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...nland-china-illegally-help-investigation-says
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Comme le dit l'un des posters, c'est "Missing Impossible"...
 
ChrisHK a dit:
En résumé :
- il donne une interview de 20 minutes sur Phoenix TV
- il admet être entré illégalement mais volontairement en Chine pour prêter son concours à une enquête visant son associé
- il voulait rentrer discrètement après la fin de l’enquête (comme si on pouvait s'absenter "discrètement" pendant plusieurs mois....)
- la police de HK a pu le rencontrer avant l'interview
- il réfute les accusations de chantage
- il accuse son associé d'avoir publié des livres "écrits sans précaution, avec des éléments copiés et parfois des faux" (???)
- il s'accuse d'avoir été négligent, et "confesse ses fautes"
- il rentrera à HK lorsque son "assistance" ne sera plus nécessaire
- sa femme et lui-même ont demandé à renoncer à leur nationalité britannique (car cela avait complique l'affaire)
- il a pu rencontrer sa femme pendant le CNY
- il a déclaré "Maintenant ma vie en Chine est très bonne. Je suis très en sécurité et libre. Et comme vous pouvez le voir, ma santé n'est pas encore mauvaise. J'ai de bonnes relations avec les enquêteurs, qui me traitent bien"

Ca me laisse perplexe!



Source : http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...nland-china-illegally-help-investigation-says
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Moi ce qui me laisse encore plus perplexe c'est le:
"He said Gui had published a lot of books about mainland issues in recent years, but all these books were compiled carelessly with copied and in some cases fabricated material. I was to blame too. And I took this opportunity to confess my wrongdoing.”

Là ça fait franchement "aveu" dans la grande tradition soviétique (du genre "je viens de spontanément réaliser que tous les livres que moi et mon partenaire avons publiés à propos du mainland étaient faux et inventés")
 
phitheb a dit:
Là ça fait franchement "aveu" dans la grande tradition soviétique (du genre "je viens de spontanément réaliser que tous les livres que moi et mon partenaire avons publiés à propos du mainland étaient faux et inventés")
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Ou alors il les a publiés à l'insu de son plein gré. On nous aurait menti
 
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phitheb a dit:
Moi ce qui me laisse encore plus perplexe c'est le:
"He said Gui had published a lot of books about mainland issues in recent years, but all these books were compiled carelessly with copied and in some cases fabricated material. I was to blame too. And I took this opportunity to confess my wrongdoing.”

Là ça fait franchement "aveu" dans la grande tradition soviétique (du genre "je viens de spontanément réaliser que tous les livres que moi et mon partenaire avons publiés à propos du mainland étaient faux et inventés")
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Ah ! Les réminiscences du 'communisme'.
On confesse ses crimes, on s'auto-flagelle, on fait son auto-critique... la tête basse. Spontanément et très volontairement bien entendu.
Et tout ça, après combien de mois de détention, de pression sur soi ou sa famille, voire de torture ?
 
poochielechien a dit:
Booksellers slipped back to mainland China after requesting Hong Kong police drop missing persons cases
Lui Por and Cheung Chi-ping both returned to mainland on the same day they arrived at Lo Wu checkpoint, sources reveal

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ut-two-booksellers-hurried-back-across-border
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En tous cas, je vois que l'objectif a été atteint:

"...it looked like the end the road for Causeway Bay Books, the store at the centre of the storm....
....After Lee disappeared, there were 100,000 banned books left in the company’s Chai Wan warehouse. Choi had once agreed to sell the books to the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China. She later backed out and said she would rather throw them away, Woo recalled...."
:(
 
Ca n'a pas l'air de s'arranger, mais espérons qu'il ne s"agisse que d'une fausse alerte (article en anglais, désolé):

Chinese journalist 'disappears' while trying to fly to Hong Kong

"A Chinese journalist has reportedly disappeared while attempting to fly from Beijing to Hong Kong, stoking fears he has become the latest victim of a widening Communist party crackdown on dissent. Jia Jia, a politically engaged 35-year-old reporter with more than 84,000 Twitter followers, was last heard from at about 8pm on Tuesday, according to a report in Hong Kong’s pro-democracy newspaper Apple Daily. The journalist’s wife, who was not named, told the newspaper he had called her to say he had cleared customs at Beijing airport and was preparing to board a flight that was scheduled to arrive in the former British colony at 11.30pm. However, Jia was not heard from again and failed to turn up to a planned lunch in Hong Kong the following day. “I do not know if he was taken from the airport lounge or from the plane or in Hong Kong,” one friend, who was also not named, was quoted as saying by the Apple Daily.
Multiple reports from activist groups and Hong Kong media suggested there was a connection between Jia’s apparent detention and an explosive letter calling for the resignation of the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, which was published early this month on Wujie News, a website with ties to the Chinese government. The letter, which was subsequently deleted, accused Xi of jeopardising the Communist party’s future by nurturing a personality cult around himself...."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/chinese-journalist-disappears-fly-beijing-hong-kong
 
L'un des libraire est rentré à HK il y a une paire de jours. Il a donné une interview.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/hong...ffed-and-my-eyes-were-covered-20160616-gpl5iy
Si des fois on avait encore des doutes:
Lam Wing-kee described an ordeal which included being accosted by 11 people after he crossed the mainland border into the southern city of Shenzhen in October, being blindfolded on a cross-country train ride to coastal Ningbo, and coming under sustained interrogation while being held incommunicado in a small room for months.

Visibly shaken and fatigued, Mr Lam said he had only been released by his mainland captors after he promised to return from Hong Kong by Thursday with a database of customers who had bought titles from his store

Mr Lam resurfaced briefly in February in a televised "confession" on Phoenix TV. On Thursday, he said the recording was made under duress and that there was "a director" and a script he was made to follow.
 
Xiao Hai a dit:
L'un des libraire est rentré à HK il y a une paire de jours. Il a donné une interview.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/hong...ffed-and-my-eyes-were-covered-20160616-gpl5iy
Si des fois on avait encore des doutes:
Lam Wing-kee described an ordeal which included being accosted by 11 people after he crossed the mainland border into the southern city of Shenzhen in October, being blindfolded on a cross-country train ride to coastal Ningbo, and coming under sustained interrogation while being held incommunicado in a small room for months.

Visibly shaken and fatigued, Mr Lam said he had only been released by his mainland captors after he promised to return from Hong Kong by Thursday with a database of customers who had bought titles from his store

Mr Lam resurfaced briefly in February in a televised "confession" on Phoenix TV. On Thursday, he said the recording was made under duress and that there was "a director" and a script he was made to follow.
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entre les doutes et les certitudes, c'est comme entre l'alpha et l’oméga: il y a l'infini...
si c’était aussi simple...
 
totoautibet a dit:
entre les doutes et les certitudes, c'est comme entre l'alpha et l’oméga: il y a l'infini...
si c’était aussi simple...
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Complot des libraires pour effectivement se rendre de leur plein gré en Chine pour collaborer à des enquêtes et prendre leur 5 minutes de gloire sur la télé chinoise, dans le but de discréditer la Chine tellement la version gouvernementale officielle est ridicule bien que vraie?

Edit avec un article un peu plus complet:
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Xiao Hai a dit:
Complot des libraires pour effectivement se rendre de leur plein gré en Chine pour collaborer à des enquêtes et prendre leur 5 minutes de gloire sur la télé chinoise, dans le but de discréditer la Chine tellement la version gouvernementale officielle est ridicule bien que vraie?

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et un autre article du Guardian ici
 
Un truc que je ne comprends pas ceci dit : le mec est revenu pour chercher des datas... bon, soit. Mais quand même ils avaient pas en tête que c'était possible qu'il se lâche et dise ce qui lui arrive... à quel moment le mec en charge à dit "nan, c'est bon, tkt bro, on a cela sous contrôle" ?

Y'a un truc un peu wtf quand même.
 
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