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La NZ découvre le commerce aux caractéristiques chinoises

Discussion dans 'Bistrot Chine du "Lotus Bleu"' créé par Xiao Hai, 20 Juillet 2016.

  1. Xiao Hai

    Xiao Hai Dieu créateur

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    Super bordel en Nouvelle-Zélande ces jours-ci.

    Tout a commencé avec des barres d'acier de Grande Qualitay Chinoise importées en Nouvelle-Zélande pour construire des ponts.
    Substandard steel imported from China has forced contractors building the Huntly section of the Waikato Expressway to redesign the piles for two bridges.
    The steel tubes were meant to be driven into the ground and used as piles. However, they have now essentially been filled with concrete and used as reinforced concrete piles


    Forcément, ca fait désordre et certains ont la mauvaise idée de demander une enquête anti-dumping pour voir si l'acier chinois serait dumpé des fois, ou si c'est juste de la merde pas chère.
    “Some of this stuff has turned up in projects like the Huntly bypass and Waterview.”
    He says an investigation of the kind sought by Pacific Steel into alleged steel dumping would expose the true cost of steel production and the rigour of import certification regimes.


    Et les inconscients déposent donc une demande d'enquête anti-dumping, confidentielle mais en fait non.
    Fairfax Media reports Pacific Steel has lodged a confidential application for a Ministry of Business, Innovation and Enterprise investigation into China dumping cut-price steel on the New Zealand market.
    However, China learned of it and officials were asking the country's biggest export industries to exert pressure on MBIE to make sure it did not go ahead, the report said, citing highly-placed sources.


    Forcément, ca fait encore plus désordre. L'opposition pose des questions et la Chine voit clair avec sa clairvoyance aux caractéristiques chinoises.
    China got wind of it and, believing New Zealand to be part of a United-States led alliance against it, threatened reprisal tariffs on dairy, wool and kiwifruit to ensure MBIE didn't investigate
    NZ First leader Winston Peters says either China was told about the complaint or there was a leak from MBIE. "Why and how does the Chinese government know more about MBIE's steel investigation than New Zealanders do?" he asked.


    Mais voilà. C'est confidentiel on vous dit! Cherchez pas! C'est pas parce que la Chine est au courant que tout le monde doit savoir!
    Key said he could not confirm whether the MBIE had received a complaint, due to confidentiality issues, but told reporters: “There are no indications they (China) have concerns with us.”

    Toutefois, ils vont demander à la Chine, on sait jamais.
    Former trade negotiator Charles Finny said it all sounded "really strange".
    "It is not the way the Chinese normally behave and I am dubious that in fact this behaviour is occurring," he said today.


    Nan mais c'est vrai, c'est pas du tout le genre de la maison d'user de pressions économiques pour faire avancer son agenda.
    The issue was high on the agenda at a China-European Union summit meeting last week and last Friday China warned the Brazilian government against using "protectionist" measures to stifle Chinese steel imports by using the same criteria as the US to determine whether steel products are being dumped in Brazil.
    D'autant plus que la Nouvelle-Zélande est un bon client.
    The Chinese government wants New Zealand to maintain its reputation for "not being difficult" on trade issues, fearing that if Wellington imposes countervailing duties on Chinese steel imports, other countries will escalate the international backlash against its steel producers.
    New Zealand is one of only a few countries not currently penalising Chinese steel imports with punitive countervailing duties


    M'enfin bref, tout ca, c'est que des rumeurs.
    China has denied threatening to retaliate against New Zealand exporters if an inquiry is launched into allegations that cheap steel is being dumped here.
    "The Chinese embassy has also confirmed that they are not aware of any impending trade sanctions from the Chinese government directed towards New Zealand or any specific New Zealand companies," Mr McClay said.


    Ce qui tombe bien, parce que finalement, personne est au courant de rien.
    Key said he was not aware of any meetings between Chinese trade officials and New Zealand industry groups such as Zespri in China where threats of reprisals were made.
    Fonterra has said it had no knowledge of any suggestion of reprisals from China and Zespri has refused to comment.
    The Chinese Embassy has not responded to repeated requests for comment.

    Fonterra spokesman Phil Turner and Zespri chief operating officer Simon Limmer told Fairfax they had no knowledge of what was alleged.


    Finalement, ils ont dû se rendre compte qu'ils étaient ridicules et ont tous retrouvé la mémoire.
    Trade Minister Roger McClay has confirmed the government was told a Chinese industry body had contacted a New Zealand exporter in China "raising some concerns".
    Zespri, the exporter reported to have been warned about trade retaliation, has issued a statement saying that two weeks ago its local staff in China received "unsubstantiated information" from an industry body.

    McClay has previously said China had not raised the issue with him, including when he was in China last week for meetings with Chinese trade officials. However, in Indonesia today McClay confirmed when he was in China he was told that "an industry body" had raised concerns with a New Zealand company
    Zespri has now confirmed it was the company in question. One of its representatives in Beijing was given "unsubstantiated information" about the prospect of trade restrictions by China and had passed that on to Embassy officials a fortnight ago.


    Et tout se confirme.
    Dairy giant Fonterra told Government officials it had been approached by a Chinese commerce representatives, warning of reprisals if they did anything to compromise Chinese steel imports.
    It's the latest revelation in a series of about-turns about the Government's knowledge of Chinese threats of a wider trade war.
    Already, both the Government and kiwifruit giant Zespri have back-pedalled on claims they had not been briefed about Chinese anger.
    Fonterra's Beijing office had been contacted earlier in the week by Chinese commerce representatives.
    Fonterra was warned China would take "retaliatory measures" against NZ exports if NZ were to put in place penalties, or even investigate putting in place penalties, against Chinese steel.


    Il reste au moins une constante: la Chine n'est pas au courant. C'est merveilleux la mémoire aux caractéristiques chinoises.
    But when the embassy in Beijing checked this out with the Ministry of Commerce of China, its equivalent of a trade ministry, the contact was denied.
     
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  2. lafoy-china

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    Bonjour Xiao

    Si l'acier n'a pas ete defini dans le cahier des charges et controle avant le depart de Chine , il ne faut pas venir se plaindre , nous par exemple dans le domaine de l' acier carbone les lots sont controles a l'aide d'un marteau electronique specifique au niveau de sa durete , ainsi que l'epaisseur des memes materiaux avec un equipement electronique ultrason ...

    Apres si ils sont partis sur des standards occidentaux , sans apporter de corrections vis a vis du standard chinois , forcement ca coince .Ce ne sont pas des bebes quand meme !

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  3. Xiao Hai

    Xiao Hai Dieu créateur

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    Je crois bien que dans ce cas des travaux publics, c'est pas vraiment le problème des autorités de savoir quelles précautions a pris le maître d'oeuvre, mais les matériaux sont évalués sur place.
    Et je crois bien que le maître d'oeuvre n'est pas innocent dans l'histoire, sinon il ne se serait pas empressé de trouver un bidouillage de rechange (changer le design) au lieu de renvoyer la marchandise. Surtout avec la sur-capacité des fonderies en Chine.

    Ca me rappelle cette histoire qui date de la semaine dernière en Australie, dans laquelle un maître d'oeuvre chinois, entreprise d'état, utilise des panneaux à l'amiante pour construire un hopital pour enfants. La classe.
    The hospital's head contractor John Holland sourced the product through Chinese company YUANDA.
    But he said there would be dire consequences for both it and lead PCH contractor John Holland, now owned by China Communications Construction Company, a State enterprise.
    "We allege that Holland's have gone for a cheaper product to cut costs and in doing so have put the health and welfare of workers at risk, let alone future occupants of the hospital," he said.


    Ou alors ils ont "oublié" les spécifications en cours de route.
     
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  4. MTT

    MTT Demi-dieu

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    La NZ et la Chine ont signé un FTA il me semble, ils ont voulu des imports pas cher, ils se cassent les dents
     
  5. Xiao Hai

    Xiao Hai Dieu créateur

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    Suite, nous en étions à "non, la Chine ne fait de chantage"

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...s-have-tightened-border-controls-on-kiwifruit
    Chinese authorities are tightening controls on imports of kiwifruit into the country.
    The tough new quarantine inspections come after Beijing officials warned they planned to slow down New Zealand dairy, wool and kiwifruit imports, sparking fears of a trade war.
    The Chinese had expressed their extreme displeasure at New Zealand inquiries into cheap Chinese steel allegedly dumped on the local market, and threatened to retaliate.
     
  6. HeShu

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    C'est beau la discretion à la chinoise !
     
  7. manu

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    Finalement, dans la guerre économique, rien de neuf sous le soleil...
     

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