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Comment les capitaux chinois ont rendu Vancouver "invivable"

Discussion dans 'Bistrot Chine du "Lotus Bleu"' créé par phitheb, 7 Juillet 2016.

  1. phitheb

    phitheb Dieu souverain

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    Race and real estate: how hot Chinese money is making Vancouver unlivable

    After Canada’s ugly episode of racism in the early 20th century, Vancouverites feel uneasy talking about how this beautiful but unassuming city became one of the least affordable in the world: an unprecedented flood of Chinese capital

    "...Over the past year, the price of a single family house in Vancouver increased by an incredible 30%, to an average of $1.4m. It’s just the latest, most dramatic jump in an already dramatic long-term trend that has turned the beautiful but unassuming Canadian city into one of the world’s least affordable, with a housing price-to-income ratio of 10.8. That’s third after Hong Kong and Sydney, and well ahead of London, which ranks eighth at 8.5. Driving the rise is an unprecedented flood of foreign capital, mainly from China. “What you have is a huge pool of very wealthy people who want to hedge against uncertainty back home,” says Thomas Davidoff, a real estate economist at the University of British Columbia (UBC).
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    “It’s frustrating,” says Justin Fung, an activist with Housing Action for Local Taxpayers, a local advocacy group. “[The crisis] is a policy issue, it’s a social justice issue, and up until now, everyone is saying, ‘We’re nice, we can’t talk about this.’ Well, if you can’t even talk about where the money is coming from, you can’t do anything about it.”....
    Canada has long targeted “anxious” money from Asia. Right now, if you invest a five-year, interest-free amount of $800,000, you can effectively buy citizenship. (By contrast, a similar scheme in Britain, the Immigrant Investor Programme, offers citizenship for between £2m and £10m.) Such programmes have driven the globalisation of Vancouver’s real estate market. They were created in the 1980s with Hong Kong’s elite in mind: millionaires arrived by the thousands from Hong Kong ahead of the 1997 handover to China, and there was tension in Vancouver then, too.
    What’s different about the current wave of wealth migration is the scale and speed of it. “Hong Kong is a small territory,” Ley says. “With China you have an amazing depth of capital – capital which is more and more eager to leave the country
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    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...ity-racism-meets-real-estate-british-columbia
     
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    phitheb Dieu souverain

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  3. Chris Chappell

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    Question peut-être naïve : pourquoi quasi tous les Chinois relativement fortunés achètent leur bien à Vancouver ? Le Canada est grand comme une galaxie et possède d'autres villes sympas et quelque peu "sinisées" (Toronto, Calgary...). De plus il y a d'autres pays anglo-saxons tout aussi sympas et avec des meilleures opportunités d'investissement immobilier et un climat plus agréable (US, Australie, Nouvelle-Zélande).
    Cet engouement pour Vancouver reste un OVNI pour moi, d'autant plus que ça commence à sentir la bubulle immobilière... o_O
     
  4. parapluie

    parapluie Dieu suprême

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    on en parlait sur un autre sujet
    je sais pas si ça joue mais le canada te permet de jouer la double nationalité plus discrètement

    en présentant le passeport canadien, tu peux obtenir un visa US de 5 ou 10 ans (je sais plus) sur ton passeport chinois
    donc quand tu rentres en chine tu fais une escale aux USA
    Canada - US : passeport canadien
    US - Chine: passeport chinois

    pareil au retour
    et sur ton passeport chinois, tu es resté légalement aux US avec ton visa long sejour alors que t'es au canada
     
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  5. Chris Chappell

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    Merci pour la réponse Parapluie, j'comprends mieux (n'empêche qu'à 8000 dollars le m2, ça revient cher le magouillage de passeport)
     
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    parapluie Dieu suprême

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    pas plus cher que le centre de shanghai
    de toute façon c'est une pacotille pour ce genre de personnes
     
  7. Xiao Hai

    Xiao Hai Dieu créateur

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    Ayé, la bubulle des chinois est cassée, ils sont pas contents.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...real-estate-tax-local-housing-market-implodes
    Vancouver's housing bubble burst with a bang, not a whimper, just days after the July 25 announcement by British Columbia of a 15% luxury real estate tax, whose purpose was first and foremost to stop the Chinese "hot money" invasion
    the average City of Vancouver home price dropping to $1.1 million, down 20.7% over a period of only 28 days and down 24.5% over the last three months.

    The result was swift: as Bloomberg reports, China’s top envoy in British Columbia slammed the Canadian province’s new 15% tax on foreign home buyers, questioning the justification behind the hastily imposed measure.
    "Why a 15 percent tax? Why now? Why this rate? What’s the purpose? Will it work?" Liu Fei, China’s infuriated consul general in Vancouver, said in an interview


    Fidèle à sa politique de non-ingérence aux caractéristiques chinoises:

    Liu saved the punchline for last, saying that "blaming high property prices on foreign buyers, especially Chinese, is unjustified"
    Her solution? Liu called for a more holistic approach to make housing more affordable, such as timelier data to better match supply with demand, a more extensive public transit system and taller buildings to house a growing population.
    In other words, China is happy to provide advice to the Canadian city of Vancouver on how to zone itself, and how to boost supply... for even more Chinese oligarchs.
     
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